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RE: Question About Healing - 9/8/2008 2:25:30 PM
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HansC
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Interesting thread, I think I'm getting here a little late, but thought I'd still say it has been an interesting read.
I have noticed in healing that it is actually never a lack of faith that causes a Christian to not receive healing, but rather not knowing how to use the faith that they have. Of course, there could be other reasons, but I'm not going to go into that level of detail. Recently I have spoken with various Christians that I knew had physical problems and I found that none of them really knew how to pray for healing. I assume that a lot of this is because of the teaching that they sit under does not address the issue effectively.
From the Bible we know that the word Soteria is translated sometimes as healing and sometimes as salvation.
So is Soteria always the will of God for someone?
Hans
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RE: Question About Healing - 9/15/2008 5:17:55 PM
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Dear Hellochurch,
Perhaps it was WHO it was that spoke that knocked them over and not necessarily an example of falling in the spirit? The problem with swooning, is that is seems to imply an experiential affirmation to the already clear promises of God found in scripture. Likewise, it sets one for spiritual dramatics, for anyone can fall over but it does not indicate their relationship with God. Cain was encouraged to "do what is right and will it not go well for you?" Jesus warned that it was an adulterous generation that sought after signs and miracles. It was NOT that there are not signs nor miracles, it was the pursuit of them, as so to evidence God. God is not reached by spiritual experience but rather through faith, namely in His Son, Jesus.
Love and Prayers,
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RE: Question About Healing - 9/28/2008 12:59:26 AM
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Physical healing here is not only clear in context, but it is affirmed by the Gospels where it is given an important qualification: "When evening came, many who were demon possessed were brought to Him, and He drove out the spirits with a word and healed all the sick. This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: "He took up our infirmities and carried our diseases'" (Matthew 8:16-17).
Thus, the healing here was fulfilled during the ministry of Jesus Christ and does not guarantee healing today.
One person said this verse meant that Jesus Christ took the sickness of the people who lived at that time, but that it does not apply to us today. Theological thinkers forgot that Matthew wrote his Gospel after Jesus died. If healing had applied ONLY to those living while Jesus was on this earth. Matthew would have written, "HE HIMSELF TOOK THEIR INFIRMITIES AND THEIR SICKNESS." Matthew,did not write it that way. The Holy Spirit through Matthew wrote, "HE HIMSELF TOOK OUR INFIRMITIES AND BARE OUR SICKNESSES.
The promise of healing belongs to us today, God's Word has clearly shown us His will. 
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RE: Question About Healing - 9/28/2008 6:48:26 PM
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Leadership - again - we're all going to physically die, which is a sickness. Physical healing is not an absolute for us while we are in these fallen bodies. If your theology was correct, the Apostle Paul would still be physically alive today and here - but why would we want that? For us to die is gain, to be with the Lord.
Please let go of the lies of the prosperity and health gospel which is contrary to the Word of God and an insult to Jesus.
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RE: Question About Healing - 9/28/2008 10:57:14 PM
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Leadership - again - we're all going to physically die, which is a sickness. Physical healing is not an absolute for us while we are in these fallen bodies. If your theology was correct, the Apostle Paul would still be physically alive today and here - but why would we want that? For us to die is gain, to be with the Lord.
Please let go of the lies of the prosperity and health gospel which is contrary to the Word of God and an insult to Jesus.
There will always be theological thinkers, who will commit religious forgery who will dare to re-word the will of Jesus. (Psalms 91:16). With long LIFE I (JESUS) will satisfy him, and show him my salvation. To die of old age NOT due to a sickness or diseases which is a curse from satan. (Acts. 10:38).
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RE: Question About Healing - 9/29/2008 8:53:43 AM
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Leadership - again - we're all going to physically die, which is a sickness. Physical healing is not an absolute for us while we are in these fallen bodies. If your theology was correct, the Apostle Paul would still be physically alive today and here - but why would we want that? For us to die is gain, to be with the Lord.
Please let go of the lies of the prosperity and health gospel which is contrary to the Word of God and an insult to Jesus.
There will always be theological thinkers, who will commit religious forgery who will dare to re-word the will of Jesus. (Psalms 91:16). With long LIFE I (JESUS) will satisfy him, and show him my salvation. To die of old age NOT due to a sickness or diseases which is a curse from satan. (Acts. 10:38).
Dying is a sickness, period. One of the consequences of sin. If your theology was correct, which biblically speaking is not, you would never physically die and neither would any born-again believer.
The Apostle Paul (which was physically sick and God never cured him of it) would still be physically walking around our planet.
Nowhere in Scripture, nowhere, does God promise the physical healing of any and every person alive today. God does indeed heal, but it is not always His will to do so.
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RE: Question About Healing - 9/29/2008 3:24:37 PM
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Perhaps He was talking to a specific group of people whom He wanted to complete the task He had given them without the burden of sickness. That is as time was limited it would have been self-defeating to send men out to preach the goodnews or to have selected men to do the will of God only to have them surcome to sickness and be prevented from doing what they were sent to do.
Now that is not to say they were in the end not excused from taking part in the suffering of this world or that they were unacustomed to sickness for even Paul was to suffer in this way that he too might learn more of the purposes of God. Now you could say that if we were to raise the dead everyday death would seem like foolishness. I sometimes wonder why people pray for a 90 year old to get better rather than go quickly to be with the Lord? Christians are simply not to live lives of perfect health for satan himself raises the accusation that we would only worship God for our healths sake and if God Himself were to with draw this favour, we would curse Him for it. I mean satan himself would offer you health, if you but served him.
Nevertheless, I have seen large numbers of people give God credit for healings and I am amased that they are not more dedicated as a result. I mean you see someone miraculously cured of cancer by God and they go back to their dull, boring, self centred ways as if nothing has happened. Are they worse off than they were if they had not been healed? I would seriously question anyone wanting healing if they knew what was required of them once they were healed. I like it when Christ says, blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe. Or to whom much is given, much is required.
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RE: Question About Healing - 9/30/2008 10:15:56 PM
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I'm having a bit of a hard time w/ something. If Jesus says if one of you is sick pray for them and they will be healed. Obviously this doesnt always work. Why would he say it if it weren't true? What did he mean?
Trixie:
The first thing to clearly understand is that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Great Physician. He healed absolutely everyone who came to Him for healing. Also, we find that all those who came to the apostles for healing were healed after Pentecost. These were all signs and wonders, or miracles to authenticate that Jesus was the Son of God, and the Gospel was of Divine origin, and the apostles were messengers of God.
Exactly - Jesus was speaking to His disciple, to those in that immediate context, and His promise to them.. His claim was 100% fulfilled.
Pastor: earthless
If the theology you teach is true then it would cancel out the great commission that Jesus spoke to all believers to heal the sick (Mark 16:15-18) or Pastor could it be that the great commission no longer exists? 
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RE: Question About Healing - 9/30/2008 11:19:42 PM
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ORIGINAL: Leadership
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ORIGINAL: earthless
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ORIGINAL: Ezra
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ORIGINAL: trixie123
I'm having a bit of a hard time w/ something. If Jesus says if one of you is sick pray for them and they will be healed. Obviously this doesnt always work. Why would he say it if it weren't true? What did he mean?
Trixie:
The first thing to clearly understand is that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Great Physician. He healed absolutely everyone who came to Him for healing. Also, we find that all those who came to the apostles for healing were healed after Pentecost. These were all signs and wonders, or miracles to authenticate that Jesus was the Son of God, and the Gospel was of Divine origin, and the apostles were messengers of God.
Exactly - Jesus was speaking to His disciple, to those in that immediate context, and His promise to them.. His claim was 100% fulfilled.
Pastor: earthless
If the theology you teach is true then it would cancel out the great commission that Jesus spoke to all believers to heal the sick (Mark 16:15-18) or Pastor could it be that the great commission no longer exists?
Well why don't you go pick up a black mamba, or drink some Clorox and see....... 
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RE: Question About Healing - 10/1/2008 8:11:22 AM
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If the theology you teach is true then it would cancel out the great commission that Jesus spoke to all believers to heal the sick (Mark 16:15-18) or Pastor could it be that the great commission no longer exists?
I would have liked for you to first answer my questions, perhaps you can do that later?
But to address your questions, the Great Commission's primary commission is to preach the Gospel, to make disciples of Jesus Christ. I don't see how stating the biblical truth that physical healing is not promised to every single believer living today would cancel out preaching God's Word to the lost.
Getting back to the topic at hand the contexts of Isaiah 53 and 1 Peter 2 make it clear that it is speaking of spiritual healing. 1 Peter 2:24 says, “He himself bore our sins in His body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by His wounds you have been healed.” The verse is talking about sin and righteousness, not sickness and disease. Therefore, being “healed” is speaking of being forgiven and saved, not physically healed.
The Bible does not specifically link physical healing with spiritual healing.
Often times people are physically healed when they place their faith in Christ – but this is not always the case.
Sometimes it is God’s will to heal, sometimes it is not. The Apostle John gives us the proper perspective: “This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. And if we know that He hears us - whatever we ask - we know that we have what we asked of Him” (1 John 5:14-15).
God still performs miracles. God still heals people. Sickness, disease, pain, and death are still realities in this world.
Unless the Lord returns in the next 50 years or so, almost everyone who is alive today will die, and the vast majority of them (Christians included) will die as the result of a physical problem (disease, sickness, injury).
It is not always God’s will to heal us physically.
Ultimately, our full physical healing awaits us in Heaven. In Heaven, there will be no more pain, sickness, disease, suffering, or death (Revelation chapter 21).
We all need to be less preoccupied with our physical condition in this world, and be a little more preoccupied with our spiritual condition (Romans 12:1-2).
Then, we can focus our hearts on heaven and when we will no longer have to deal with physical problems, Revelation 21:4, "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
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